Bernhard’s Austrian Cookbook - Still haven’t received the cookbook I pre-ordered
16th June 2008
For the past few years, I’d been a huge fan of Bernhard’s Austrian Cooking, a website where Vienna chef Bernhard Baumgartner offered free Austrian cooking recipes, as well as tips and advice. When I saw a note on his website announcing the creation of Bernhard’s Austrian Cookbook, I jumped at the chance to own a copy, and pre-ordered it via Paypal.
I paid £21.88 to pre-order a hardcover copy of Bernhard’s Austrian Cooking: The traditional Austrian Cuisine
And that was the last I saw of my money.
Not only have I yet to receive the cookbook, but the website doesn’t exist anymore, either.
I’ve tried several time to contact the site owner, but haven’t received any response as of yet.
Since apparently over 200 people all over the world have pre-ordered the cookbook, I thought I’d make a quick post about it here on the off chance that there are other people scouring Google for answers on a weekly basis, too.
If you’re stumbled onto this post, and you have any more information on what might have happened to Bernhard, his website, and our cookbooks, please leave a comment!
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December 18 2007: I pre-ordered Bernhard’s Austrian Cookbook and paid via PayPal. The cookbook was going to be released February 15 2008 and would be shipped at the end of February.
March 9 2008: Got an email from Bernhard explaining that the book would be delayed:
Hello [KaySquirrel]
Today I must inform you that the book you ordered will not be posted before the end of April this year. I hope you can wait this compareably short period of time. Let me explain the delay:
I am in the middle of negotiations with a financial sponsor for my book and hopefully the web project as a whole. If these negotiations come out well for me, I will be able to make a huge step forward towards my being self-employed by financing a cooking-studio here in Vienna where I intend to hold cooking classes and to shoot videos and pictures for future web projects.
Second is that I did not think about the legal issues when offering products, like my book, on a website. I have to be very careful now to be sure that every step I take is on the legal side of our laws here in Austria.
Please, you showed your support for my project before, when you pre-ordered my book, I ask you for even a little more support by being patient and forgive the delay.
The new date for the books to be posted via mail is: April 30th 2008. You can rely on that, the pre-ordered books will be sent out at this date, either with or without my sponsors page in it.
I hope you can live with this news, if not, you can always get a full refund. So far more than 200 people from all over the world have pre-ordered more than 250 books.
This amount of trust blows me off my feet and I hope that you keep trusting me.
Thank you so much for your support and have a nice day.
Fair enough, I thought. While disappointed, I did appreciate being updated on the status of my pre-order. I emailed Bernhard back right away to let him know that I was alright with a bit of a delay getting the book, because I was sure it’d be worth it in the end!
The end of April came and went, and I hadn’t received my cookbook. The website still said that the release date was April 15 2008..
By mid-May, I figured there was more than just slow mail service to blame for me not having received my cookbook.
May 19 2008: I emailed Bernhard to inquire about the status of my pre-order. His Austrian Cooking website had also been down for a few days by this point, so I mentioned that as well.
May 26 2008: The email I sent bounced back, saying that the email address wasn’t valid. Not good!
I did some googling, and found the Bernhard’s Austrian Cooking School website, with a different contact email address.
Hmm, his letter said that the cookbook release was delayed because he was in talks trying to get funding for a cooking studio, where he could give cooking lessons. Isn’t that just what I’d stumbled onto?
May 27 2008: Sent Bernhard an email to both his email addresses (In case the first one started working again), requesting an update on the situation.
The @bernhards.at email address bounced back to me again, but the @austriancookingschool.com one didn’t, so I was hopeful that it wouldn’t be too long before I received a response.
June 3 2008: Still no response to my email. Starting to get a little annoyed now.
Sent the following letter to Bernhard via snail mail, as his postal address was included in the PayPal confirmation of my pre-order:
Hello Bernhard,
I’m writing to you as I have unfortunately been unable to reach you online. Your bernhards.at website has been down for over 2 weeks now, and your @bernhards.at email address is no longer working.
I also emailed your @austriancookingschool.com address a week ago, but have not yet received a response.
I pre-ordered your cookbook in December 2007, and the last update I heard on it was that the shipping date was postponed until April 30, 2008. It’s over a month later now, and I’ve still not received the book.
I understand that you were having issues with copyright and sponsorship, but I am concerned and a little disappointed at the lack of an update on the situation, and the disappearance of your web presence. Websites and email addresses don’t (or, shouldn’t) disappear all of a sudden, so it is my sincere hope that nothing horrible has happened to you or your website!
Please, when you have a chance, I would appreciate it if you could let me know what is actually happening with the book, or if the project has been canceled or moved to another website or something.
Thank you very much,
[KaySquirrel]
June 16 2008: Still no reponse to either my email or snail mail queries.
While writing this post, I notice that the Bernhard’s Austrian Cooking website is now down, too. I only checked it just last week, so it must have only gone down within the last few days!
I was looking forward to receiving the cookbook, but the lack of updates started to worry me. Now that both websites are down and my snail mail query has so far had no response.. I’m starting to feel more than a little jerked around here.
The only next step I can take is to contact PayPal to lodge a complaint and request that they refund my order. I’m reluctant to do that because I would still like to wait a little bit longer to see if maybe answers will be forthcoming.
By the beginning of next month, though, it will be over 6 months since I placed the pre-order, and a month since I sent the letter via snail mail.. I think that if by that time I’ve not heard back, I’ll have to see if I can claw back my money from PayPal.
June 24 2008: Got a comment on my blog from someone else who preordered the cookbook and hasn’t received it yet. I opened a claim with PayPal, but it seems their automated claim processing system closed it right away — most likely because it has been longer than 45 days since the purchase.
However, as my purchase was a PRE-order made on December 18 2006, and the original release date of the cookbook was only going to be February 15 2008, it seems the deadline to make an Item Not Received claim with PayPal expired even before I was ever supposed to received the cookbook to begin with?!
I’ve escalated my Item Not Received claim to PayPal’s customer service department, explaining the situation.
I’ve also managed to track down yet another altnernate email address for Bernhard, this latest one seems to be provided by his ISP, so I’ve sent an email there requesting an update on the status of my preorder.
June 25 2008: The email I sent to Bernhard’s ISP email address did NOT bounce back, but I have not received any response to it as of yet.
I did, however, get an email back from PayPal customer service:
Our policy is to investigate a claim if it has been filed within 45 calendar days of the initial transaction. Unfortunately, we received your claim on 24/06/2008 which is after the 45 day deadline and, therefore, we cannot look into this claim. If it is still within 60 calendar days of the initial transaction date and the item was purchased on eBay, please contact eBay for further information as you may be able to file a claim with eBay directly.
We do reserve the right to reopen any claim for investigation within 180 calendar days if we receive multiple complaints about a particular seller. We will contact you by email if this is the case.
I recommend to stay in contact with the seller in order to find a
resolution that you are both happy with.
So, as I had feared, there is no exception to there 45 day rule, even for preordered items that are only scheduled to be released outside of that ‘45 days after purchase’ window anyway.
I did notice that they said they reserve the right to reopen any claim for investigation within 180 calendar days if they receive multiple complaints about a particular seller. I’ve updated the other person I know of who’s also trying to track Bernhard down, with this latest developement. Perhaps if they file a claim with PayPal that will be enough for PayPal to reopen the case, but at this point I don’t hold out much hope of seeing my money again.
“I recommend to stay in contact with the seller in order to find a resolution that you are both happy with.” — Yeah, that’s cute. Since emails and snail mail letter don’t seem to work, I’ll just hop on over to Austria, shall I?
June 26 2008: I found an Austrian Cooking Group on Yahoo where someone else was trying to get in contact with Bernhard to find out what had happened to his website. I made a post there, asking the group if anyone else has had the same awful experience with preordering his cookbook:
What happened to the £21.88 I paid to preorder Bernhard’s Austrian Cookbook?
It’s been almost 6 months now since I paid £21.88 via PayPal to preorder Bernhard’s Austrian Cookbook, and to date I have not received a book, OR a refund of my £21.88!
On December 18 2007 I preordered Bernhard’s Austrian Cookbook, and was told that the release date would be February 15 2008.On March 9 2008 I received an email from Bernhard saying that cookbook release would be delayed until April 30 2008.
By May 19 2008 I still had not received the cookbook, so I emailed Bernhard to inquire about the status of my preorder. The email bounced back, saying his email address was invalid, and I noticed that his website at bernhards.at was no longer working anymore, either.
On May 26 2008 I found another website belonging to Bernhard (austriancookingschool.com), so I sent an email to the contact email address listed there to inquire about the status of my preorder. The email did NOT bounce back, but I have still not received a response.
On June 3 2008 I noticed that the austriancookingschool.com website had been taken down and was no longer accessible.
I sent a letter via postal mail to Bernhard’s contact address inquiring about the status of my preorder and explaining that I had not been been able to contact him online. I have still not received a response to that inquiry, either.
On June 24 2008 I was found by someone else who is still missing the money they paid to preorder the cookbook, too! They’d left a message on my website where I’ve written about this whole awful experience (link available upon request).
I’ve also asked PayPal if they can look into things for me, but unfortunately they won’t investigate claims made more than 45 days after the purchase date, EVEN for preorders.
They did mention that they reserve the right to reopen claims within 180 days if they receive “multiple complaints about a seller”, so if the other person missing their money makes a claim as well, hopefully that will be enough for PayPal to investigate this further.
I had been a fan of Bernhard’s Austrian Cooking website for the past couple of years now, and I never would have imagined that this would happen. I trusted that when I paid my money, Bernhard would send me a copy of his cookbook.
All of my efforts to contact Bernhard both online and by snail mail have so far gone unanswered. I’m left feeling completely ripped off, and stupid for sending him my money in the first place..
Does anyone have any additional information as to what might have happened with all those preorders, or have I been scammed out of my £21.88 here?
~ Kay
Maybe someone in the group will have some answers.. I’ve also sent messages to Bernhard via Yahoo Groups asking for an update on the status of my preorder, or a refund of my £21.88 if the book project has been cancelled.
I also stumbled across this page which reads:
Bernhard’s Austrian Cooking School - Austrian chef Bernhard Baumgartner is teaching traditional Austrian cuisine at Vienna nightschool VHS-Hietzing. Learn to cook Schnitzel, Strudel, dumplings, Goulash or whatever you want to learn. Choose cakes and desserts only for your class. The class includes shopping trip to open-air market Vienna Naschmarkt, for the trip back to school choose between Taxi or public transport. 4-course Lunch and drinks included.
I wonder if this information is still current, and whether perhaps Bernhard can be contacted via the school? Ich spreche ein bisschen Deutsch, certainly enough to ask what has happened to my money..
This page lists telephone contact info for both the Volkshochschule Hietzing and Bernhard’s Austrian Cooking School.
June 29 2008: Received a comment here from someone else trying to find out what happened to Bernhard’s website.
June 30 2008: Received a comment from a 2nd person who pre-ordered Bernhard’s cookbook and didn’t receive it. Will 3 complaints to PayPal about a seller get them to investigate things despite it being 45 days after the purchase date? I sure hope so..
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